With Major Orders not working properly and Helldivers 2 still being plagued by bugs, you’d hope that the community could at least hold itself together. But one issue is still preventing people from enjoying all of the game’s factions: the Automatons, who are proving to be far too annoying and difficult. And one Diver explained it perfectly.

On June 8, in a Reddit post titled “Reasons Why the Majority of Players Won’t Fight Automaton, and You Can’t Convince Them Otherwise,” a Helldivers 2 fan listed all the reasons why fighting the faction is no fun. Despite fighting the bots themselves, the author offered 10 reasons why someone might not want to fight on the Western Front. “You have to understand that Bug and Bot have a completely different playstyle,” they began, listing how the bots forced players to think less about horde control and more about survival.

They went on to list even more complaints, from the ability of even the weakest Automaton to “instantly put you to rest” with a headshot to noting that “defense or extraction missions are super hard on high difficulty,” to the point where most players can’t complete them with random allies. They even brought in the game’s advertising, as “everything is focused on the bugs” and the bots are in the “red zone,” which intuitively is a place for players with higher skills and better gear.

Other players had plenty of complaints about Automatons, too. One wrote a dissertation on Heavy Devastators, noting their accuracy even under suppressive fire and “extremely frequent spawning.” Many spoke of their experiences with bots “clipping through rocks” and flanking hapless Divers. But don’t worry, “bugdivers just exist” was another complaint from a commenter, who suggested that the planet was decaying faster because a significant portion of the player base wasn’t fighting the bots. The flames of the Bugdiver-hating war can even exist on a post pleading with people to leave those players alone, and that’s a big problem for a game as community-driven as Helldivers 2.